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#1 The Dude

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 06:35 AM

Things from earth, such as ancient medieval suits of armor, sarcophagi of egyptian pharaos,
and a whole other bunch of stuff which is considered highly valuable:
do they still exist?
I was thinking, probably they do, as with the exodus, people would have been able
to take some items of value with them, to preserve the past, as it were.
I realise that if they do, the amount of such items would probably amount to only 1 or 2 of each kind.

Anyone got any thoughts on this one?
Really, the idea just popped into my head, and I had no clue to what the answer might be.
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Posted 04 July 2009 - 07:03 AM

There probably is, like, in museums and places - but I think they'd be easily re-created.

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 07:13 AM

yeah, there are definitely some ancient artifacts left, however, they are all most likely in the hands of rich collectors or museums.
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Posted 04 July 2009 - 08:19 AM

Of course. There's always talk of Lucas Mars owning a bunch of historic memorabilia like gladiator stuff and whatnot.

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 12:32 PM

However, most of Earth is kaboom'd.

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#6 The Dude

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Posted 04 July 2009 - 04:02 PM

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However, most of Earth is kaboom'd.


I knew that. tongue.gif

It was mainly because I had some crazy idea for a Lego comic... probably won't happen, though, but still.
well, if there are some left, I'm satisfied. Thanks, guys. biggrin.gif

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#7 The Arbiter

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 12:05 AM

Well, I know certain pieces would still make it. But, perhaps their history may not be exactly accurate or the same.

"Ah, the Liberty Bell. When the early 19th century National Socialist Party, or the Nazis, invaded the United States of America, they crossed the Atlantic via Jetpack gravitational systems, landing in the capitol itself. However, the primitive Nazi jetpacks power generator lacked a sonar defensive system, to which General Benjamin Washington took advantage of. Utilizing a Sonar Frequency Enhancer, the power of the Liberty Bell's ringing sunk all the Jetpackers, and neutralized their leader, Adolf Hitler, who had personally invaded the capitol. In a final stand on top of the Great Pyramids, Adolf was defeated, along with the National Socialist party, all thanks to the Liberty Bell."

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 01:41 AM

QUOTE (The Arbiter @ Jul 5 2009, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I know certain pieces would still make it. But, perhaps their history may not be exactly accurate or the same.

"Ah, the Liberty Bell. When the early 19th century National Socialist Party, or the Nazis, invaded the United States of America, they crossed the Atlantic via Jetpack gravitational systems, landing in the capitol itself. However, the primitive Nazi jetpacks power generator lacked a sonar defensive system, to which General Benjamin Washington took advantage of. Utilizing a Sonar Frequency Enhancer, the power of the Liberty Bell's ringing sunk all the Jetpackers, and neutralized their leader, Adolf Hitler, who had personally invaded the capitol. In a final stand on top of the Great Pyramids, Adolf was defeated, along with the National Socialist party, all thanks to the Liberty Bell."


Somehow, I highly doubt that. I'm pretty sure they know history as it was with only minor tweaking. Just the same kind of history we are taught. Does your school teach that the cavemen used jets to defeat the mammoths? I doubt they would think we had any of their tech. And the history would have survived. How does Mars learn from "the great leaders of the past" if history was that violently mutilated.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 03:43 AM

QUOTE (The Arbiter @ Jul 5 2009, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Ah, the Liberty Bell. When the early 19th century National Socialist Party, or the Nazis, invaded the United States of America, they crossed the Atlantic via Jetpack gravitational systems, landing in the capitol itself. However, the primitive Nazi jetpacks power generator lacked a sonar defensive system, to which General Benjamin Washington took advantage of. Utilizing a Sonar Frequency Enhancer, the power of the Liberty Bell's ringing sunk all the Jetpackers, and neutralized their leader, Adolf Hitler, who had personally invaded the capitol. In a final stand on top of the Great Pyramids, Adolf was defeated, along with the National Socialist party, all thanks to the Liberty Bell."


I highly doubt it. I mean, if some objects survived, then some records must have, too.
I suppose that when the exodus went into action, the people fleeing must have taken their entire history in digital format, no?
I would, if I were them. It wouldn't take more than a couple of hard drives full of, say, word documents to outline the whole known history of man.
Taking relics, however, would take much more space, resulting in most of them being left behind, right?
At least, that's what I think.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 06:31 AM

Well how do you know what you read in History books is real or not? The author wasn't around in 1066, so how does he know that King Harold was slain at the battle? Records? Even if we do have records, can you really trust them? After all, History is written by the victors, no? For all we know, Cavemen could have killed Mammoths with jetpacks, but lost the technology to perform such tasks again. Just because there's no records, doesn't mean it never happened.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 07:17 AM

There probably are. I mean, i'm sure they saved the space museums on some of their ships.
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Posted 05 July 2009 - 07:18 AM

QUOTE (The Squirrel @ Jul 5 2009, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well how do you know what you read in History books is real or not? The author wasn't around in 1066, so how does he know that King Harold was slain at the battle? Records? Even if we do have records, can you really trust them? After all, History is written by the victors, no? For all we know, Cavemen could have killed Mammoths with jetpacks, but lost the technology to perform such tasks again. Just because there's no records, doesn't mean it never happened.

I approve of this logic.

Mona Lisa would probably have been taken, being perhaps the most famous and easily recognizable painting in history.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 03:54 PM

Of course, proper history can be preserved, but it depends on whose doing it. Zygbar or Grimm (If they had it) may have corrupted histories, or simply different histories for morale.

And Xarkon? They're not gonna keep the real history. Or atleast, feed their people right information. To keep their dominant state over people, one must suppress rebellious thoughts, or thoughts that could turn them against their own people. If a bunch of them were taught about how United States managed to break free of their powerful guardian, and become an independent nation, imagine what the people could do with that new radicalism in their heads? Xarkon's people could turn against them right there.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 04:14 PM

QUOTE (The Squirrel @ Jul 5 2009, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well how do you know what you read in History books is real or not? The author wasn't around in 1066, so how does he know that King Harold was slain at the battle? Records? Even if we do have records, can you really trust them? After all, History is written by the victors, no? For all we know, Cavemen could have killed Mammoths with jetpacks, but lost the technology to perform such tasks again. Just because there's no records, doesn't mean it never happened.


Mmmmh... fair logic. Still, if cavemen had jetpacks, they'd have put it in the cave paintings, I'd think.
Or, archaeologists woulda found some kind of evidence for jetpacks, like worked scraps of metal and had fuel tanks for flight, right? wink.gif
I know what you mean is that we can't be sure of everything is real, but the main events, kings/emperors/crazy nazi leaders turning up dead, nations being toppled,
rebellions, things that matter even after several hundred/thousand years, are probably recorded corectly, or near-as-makes no difference correctly.

QUOTE (The Arbiter @ Jul 6 2009, 08:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course, proper history can be preserved, but it depends on whose doing it. Zygbar or Grimm (If they had it) may have corrupted histories, or simply different histories for morale.

And Xarkon? They're not gonna keep the real history. Or atleast, feed their people right information. To keep their dominant state over people, one must suppress rebellious thoughts, or thoughts that could turn them against their own people. If a bunch of them were taught about how United States managed to break free of their powerful guardian, and become an independent nation, imagine what the people could do with that new radicalism in their heads? Xarkon's people could turn against them right there.


Can't argue with that. But even so, Xarkonian people would be able to find out something, right? I mean, Victory and Harmony are sort of at peace with Xarkon, which could mean that some of them visit, telling tales of the past. I mean, you can't exclude a large group of people from the outside world and its influence forever. Even when completely closing the borders, you'd still have people smuggling others in. Look at the US/Mexico border. I know that illegal immigrants aren't piling up on ramps to get over the fence, but someone is lying if you tell me that there aren't some illegal immigrants, right? Though I admit, I would think Xarkon to guard its borders a little more zealously than the US does theirs.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 08:04 PM

QUOTE (The Dude @ Jul 6 2009, 02:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mmmmh... fair logic. Still, if cavemen had jetpacks, they'd have put it in the cave paintings, I'd think.

The only cave paintings are in about five or six sites in modern France/Spain. There's plenty of other regions that the "cavemen", by which I assume you mean the protohumans of the paleolithic area, had explored at the time. So, while jetpacks might not have been used in south western Europe, they might have been used in eastern Europe.

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Posted 05 July 2009 - 10:18 PM

QUOTE (Necrologic @ Jul 6 2009, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The only cave paintings are in about five or six sites in modern France/Spain. There's plenty of other regions that the "cavemen", by which I assume you mean the protohumans of the paleolithic area, had explored at the time. So, while jetpacks might not have been used in south western Europe, they might have been used in eastern Europe.


Not entirely true. Belgium, and even small parts of Hollands also have some cave paintings.
And still, that doesn't debunk there not being any archaeological evidence to support cavemen flying with jetpacks.

And then another question... why are we talking about flying cavemen? huh.gif

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 06:23 AM

QUOTE (The Dude @ Jul 6 2009, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not entirely true. Belgium, and even small parts of Hollands also have some cave paintings.
And still, that doesn't debunk there not being any archaeological evidence to support cavemen flying with jetpacks.

And then another question... why are we talking about flying cavemen? huh.gif

It's an example.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 08:17 AM

QUOTE (The Dude @ Jul 6 2009, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can't argue with that. But even so, Xarkonian people would be able to find out something, right? I mean, Victory and Harmony are sort of at peace with Xarkon, which could mean that some of them visit, telling tales of the past. I mean, you can't exclude a large group of people from the outside world and its influence forever. Even when completely closing the borders, you'd still have people smuggling others in. Look at the US/Mexico border. I know that illegal immigrants aren't piling up on ramps to get over the fence, but someone is lying if you tell me that there aren't some illegal immigrants, right? Though I admit, I would think Xarkon to guard its borders a little more zealously than the US does theirs.


Then I'll take the example of North Korea and South Korea. As much as I love North Korea, it could be denying 100% truth in their reports or activities, especially to their people, and South Korea finds their problems But, perhaps North Korea is telling the truth, and we're just warping it instead. Sure, they're not killing each other. But, they differentiate on many things, and knowledge and teaching and education can still cause completely different houses to be built on same foundations, pardon the example. Propaganda and brainwashing, which I'm not exactly too knowledgeable about it's use in each faction, breaks minds and separates spirits.

Edited by The Arbiter, 06 July 2009 - 08:17 AM.

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 09:23 AM

Wait, you love North Korea?

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Posted 06 July 2009 - 09:55 AM

Well, he was being sarcastic.

... I hope.

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