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Florent

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In Topic: Star Wars Movies and Positivity Thread

29 June 2018 - 07:07 AM

Literally don't have any idea how you got that from what I wrote but it's k. Prolly my last post on this for a while, I said what I wanted to say.

Star Wars has exhausted it's old characters. It's time for something new, because the past 40 years have been recycling old themes and characters ad infinitum. Boba Fett is played out, there's a lot of room for growth once you stop locking yourself into the same 6-10 characters for decades.

In Topic: Star Wars Movies and Positivity Thread

28 June 2018 - 12:22 PM

Dalton I'm gonna be straight with ya. I think you need to re-read what I wrote a couple times, because yeah. It's pretty much directed exactly at the type of person who'd have your response. You do not own Star Wars. It does not belong to you, nor did it ever. Sit. Use the force. Think.

 

You only control your own feelings. You love the OT, maybe the prequels, maybe even the ST and standalones. Great! I never want to take that away from you. I want you to enjoy Star Wars as much as you can, because the more light and love and enjoyment we have in the world the better. 

 

What I don't want is for you (and your allies) to act like diversity (yes, even for its own sake) is somehow anything but a virtue. Having a cast of characters that everyone can see themselves in is important. Just look at you, you had Luke, Anakin, Han, and a plethora of other characters from the past eternity of fiction. 

 

What does the girl at Target with the backpack have? Her dad liked Star Wars when he was a kid but never read the books, maybe he played lightsabers and princesses in his back yard as a kid just like I did, and I assume you did. I want that for his daughter. I want that for the kid who only ever sees his ethnic group portrayed in villainous roles. I want the kid to know that having purple hair can be totally normal for people in charge. I want kids to look at Rey and know that if they have a good heart and try their hardest they can succeed in doing the right thing. I want kids to look at Poe and realize that they can't always be the hero of the story. Sometimes the thing you think is right will get you into trouble, and that yes. Sometimes it is better to sit down and let women speak. It's okay. It's hard to hear, that you're not the chosen one. But here's the thing, you were. Those movies still exist. You want to watch Obi Wan? You've got 6 movies of Obi Wan plus however many seasons of Clone Wars. You wanna know more about Boba Fett? Read one of the dozens of EU novels about how cool and badass he is. I used to and I loved it. That never went away. You have 40 years of material catered directly to your demographic. Enjoy it, but let the rest of us play too okay?

 

I'm not mad at you, I just wish you weren't mad at us.

 

(inb4 "im not mad")


In Topic: Star Wars Movies and Positivity Thread

28 June 2018 - 04:39 AM

I don't want a Bobo Fett or Obi Wan movie. I want a new script with new ideas filled with new characters facing new problems and learning new lessons. If all Star Wars can generate these days is stories about "White Dude Who Realizes He's A Hero" then count me out.

But that's not the case. They seem to be dedicating their efforts towards building new fans, rather than catering to the angry 35 year old man demographic. I'd say that's a good thing. If a star wars movie isn't for me but the kids like it a lot, then great. I don't need another Star Wars movie catered to my specific fanboy interests. I've got decades of EU shenanigans if I want to see Luke being an infallable master of the plot or Bobo being teh c00lest guy evar!!1!

I'd rather see Lucasfilm focus their efforts on something like a Tico Sisters movie to draw in the new generation of people that'll love Star Wars from childhood, just like all of us had.

I'm trying not to say the word diversity because of the cursed implications of that word, but honestly tho. Star Wars has been marketed and geared HEAVILY towards white boys in their tweens for almost 40 years. Seeing a new batch of movies that more people can identify with is nothing but a good idea IMO. Out with the old guard - these guys have been jerks on the internet for almost 2 decades now. Anybody talked to Kelly or Jake recently? Leave this demographic behind. Learn from the mistakes of Solo.

A general audience isn't hype about a Han Solo movie. They didn't want to see another prequel origin. The only people that saw the movie are the die-hards, and it flopped. General audience members have kids and bills and limited money, and chose to see other movies instead. Yeah that's right, people would rather watch Deadpool, Incredibles, or Avengers than the new Star Wars. Most people don't care about Han Solo. Most people don't care about Bobo or even Obi-Wan. It's just the diehards that'll go see these movies. Speaking as one of the die-hards since practically birth, I am now embarrassed to be a Star Wars fan. The fandom has gotten so toxic and gross that I feel like I need to hide my childlike wonder at seeing hyperspace trails and laser sword fights between good and evil. The magic is not gonna be there for the kids growing up today. No little kid wants to be Jyn Entonic or Cassius Condor. Kids don't want to see depressing crime syndicate movies filled with disease and oppression. I mean heck I just saw Solo for a second time the other day and got real uncomfortable watching Stormtroopers at the border checkpoint. Parents aren't going to want to take their kids to a movie that reminds them that they are powerless against a corrupt monolithic government. Not trying to get political but to completely ignore the current climate and double - if not triple - down on the white-dude centric movies is a bad move. There are rumors floating around that this story of the "Star Wars Stories" being canned isn't 100% accurate, and that these movies may actually happen, but honestly I think it'd be a mistake to release these films anytime soon. Who are they for? Who is the audience that Lucasfilm wants to enrapture with these movies? If they make a Bobo movie will my 8 year old niece want to see it? Will the little girl at Target with the Rose Tico backpack want to watch it? It'd be Solo all over again. Diehards will see it, diehards will argue about it, and diehards will kill the franchise.

 

As a lifelong Star Wars fan I'm ready to admit that we haven't been doing our part as a fandom. We've been bitter, angry, loathsome, entitled, and hyper-critical of these movies since the internet came about. Why? Why do we need to analyze every little detail about the Star Wars universe? I mean heck I was trashing George Lucas RIGHT HERE the other week. I feel bad about that. I feel bad about trashing the prequels to 12 year olds on Youtube comments. Let people enjoy things. It costs $0 to not be a huge jerk when someone says they love a thing.

 

I even feel bad for ragging on Game of Thrones as much as I do. It's clear that I'm no longer the target audience for that show either, and I've been real bitter about it the past few years. Why? I don't own the property. It isn't for me. I've read the books about 4 times through and gotten my enjoyment out of them. That show is its own new thing at this point, and while I'm no longer interested I'm glad that it can bring joy and hype to people's lives. Even if it is horrible trash.  :ph34r:

 

The other day I watched Indiana Jones and the thought popped into my head that a "canon timeline" would probably be the worst thing that could happen to that series. Endlessly hounding canon is limiting and adds nothing of value to stories. Having to explain and fill out every detail of the universe kills the magic of it. Having a movie about every character you like will not add to your enjoyment of the previous films. The cancellation(?) of these standalones will hopefully bring about a wash of creative new ideas in a "phase 2" style rebranding after episode 9 comes out. If all Star Wars can do is retread old ground with old characters doing things we already know about, then the brand is dead. Seeing Bobo become the greatest bounty hunter evarrr will not add anything to the cheap laugh of watching him fall into the Sarlaac pit. Knowing what the Kessel Run is and how he did it does not make me care any more about Han Solo, because I already care about Han Solo. I wanted something new, and while I got Qi'ra and the first real deep-dive into Lando's character, the majority of the movie is in service of answering questions that nobody was asking. Other questions like "What was Obi Wan doing while laying low in the desert for 20 years" and "what happened to that kid who's dad got his head chopped off" are not questions burning me up inside that need answers. Stop retreading old ground. Learn from the mistakes of the past. Move forwards with what this universe can do. Move forward with who these movies can inspire. Leave the old guys behind with their dusty books about Sun-Crushers and Yuzzbug Vongs.

 

Kylo Ren is infinitely more interesting than Anakin Solo. Rey being a nobody that comes in as a monkey wrench to the 40-year battle between rebels and empire is a great way to twist the narrative into something new. New blood coming in and shaking up the established themes. Rey doesn't need to be a Skywalker or a Kenobi, because Skywalkers and Kenobis are nobodies too. Snoke being the ghost of Mace Windu's hand or Maz Kanata being Yoda's sister won't excite a single 12 year old. Most 12 year olds haven't even seen the original trilogy. You know what I say to that? Good. Let 12 year olds have their Star Wars. We had ours. It's time to move on. Not saying that you shouldn't see these movies and be excited for them, what I am trying to say is that these movies are not for you anymore.

 

Yes you. This very forum is built on old-guard Star Wars fans. Look at everything we did! We built communities, we made mods, we wrote fan-fictions, we built Lego. . . I mean heck the room which I'm typing this has probably around $2000 USD worth of Star Wars Lego in it RIGHT NOW. 

 

Now look at what Star Wars fandom has become today. Watch any Youtube video about any Star Wars subject and look what people say in the comments. Mention TLJ at work and watch the bearded white dudes scoff at you. Look at the box office numbers of Solo and tell me with a straight face that die-hard Star Wars fanboys deserve anything from Lucasfilm.

 

Let the next generation of Star Wars fans have their day. Let them have their movies. Let them create communities, build Lego, draw pictures, write stories... let them have Star Wars. We had it and we had a great time, and now it's time to let go and let kids fall in love the same way we did. 

 

 

TL;DR: Ah Skywalker, missed you have I. Time it is for you look past a pile of old books. Hm? Heeded my words not did you. Pass on what you have learned. Strength, mastery. . . hmph. But weakness, folly, failure also. Yes, failure most of all. The greatest teacher, failure is. Luke, we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters.


In Topic: D3 2018: The DMC5 Display Demonstration

12 June 2018 - 06:34 AM

I think they may have played Destiny when looking for inspiration. Not sure tho.

 

Anthem is clearly an example of outside-in design approach. Rather than coming up with a good idea, it seems they've developed a """""unique""""" backstory and lore around their Destiny Clone. This game will flop. In someone else's hands that premise could be interesting. Not in the NuBioware era though. It's a cash grab just like all these new battle royale games. These things are being designed to make money, not be good. I don't support corporate focus groups and board room art with my money, sorry not sorry Anthem.


In Topic: D3 2018: The DMC5 Display Demonstration

12 June 2018 - 06:13 AM

Here we go! Death Stranding got me legitimately hyped. Suuuper curious and intrigued by this game. Wanna wander around that desolate waste real dang bad. A wandering survival game that isn't just status bar management? I'm in. Also I love her her umbrella. We'll see what Kojima cooks up plot-wise, I'm sure it'll be zany and fun. Love the tone they're setting though, very tense but somehow peaceful. Getting really good vibes. Not sure how Kojima will factor in Nuclear disarmament tho lol

 

 

Assassins Greek looks like the regularly scheduled AssCree silliness. Might be into skippering a trireme around but IDK, it's still an asscree. We all know what it'll be like. That Samurai Dark Souls looked pretty cool too. Still though, gonna wait and see if they develop a good game around their (promising) gameplay systems. The soundscape was super dope in that demo, I might be in just for that tbh.

 

 

 

MAN tho that Spiderman game. Never before have I felt so much like I skipped out on drinking some koolaid somewhere. I'm pretty sure you couldn't pay me to play through another mookfight -> cutscene -> boss. The Batman Arkham games (which they are just ripping off for Spider-Man?) put me into a boring coma that lasted years. Which part of it looks good? What is there to be excited about? I feel like I've already played this game.

 

 

:negative: I DON'T JUST WANNA RUN AROUND PUNCHING PEOPLE! HELP! WHAT GAMES CAN I PLAY? AM I INSANE? :negative: