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#2121 Jociva Flcol

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:52 PM

I love you more than I love myself most times, Occey. But your spoiler'd opinions of the worst thing in Solo are the polar opposite of how I felt about that scene. It was literally everything I've ever wanted in my life. I could die happy now, lol.


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 03:30 PM

So, is it okay to come out from the bunker yet? Has the fallout from The Last Jedi dissipated? Did we draft teams?

For the record, I thought TLJ was fantastic. I rank it at #2 following ESB. Solo was pretty cool, too.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 04:04 AM

Solo was ok.  I think worth going to the cinema but I'm not particularly fussed to see it again. The character was well acted but I don't think Solo himself was quite scoundrel enough and if anyone is a 'Mary Sue' in Star Wars then it's this version of Solo. I also don't really like his involvement with the *REDACTED* at the end of the film. The big spoiler near the end was I think a mistake. That character had a decent enough story line and ending outside the movies. I see no purpose in his existence in this film - it's confusing for every fan who doesn't keep up with the media outside the films. Probably the highlight for me was recognising parts of my home town in some of the Corellia scenes. 

 

TBH I'm sort of apathetic about how Star Wars will proceed as I know this will go the way of Marvel and have too many films. I know that at some point I will say 'that's enough Star Wars'. I think Episode VIIII may be the last one I see in theatre. My advice is just to enjoy the ride until you want to get off.

 

If I was to rank Star Wars films:

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ESB

ANH

TLJ

ROTJ

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ROTS

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 04:38 AM

So, is it okay to come out from the bunker yet? Has the fallout from The Last Jedi dissipated? Did we draft teams?

For the record, I thought TLJ was fantastic. I rank it at #2 following ESB. Solo was pretty cool, too.

 

I'm sorry, but the fallout from TLJ is never going to dissipate. That movie struck a chord the likes of which I've never seen; usually the internet forgets about things after a week or two, but we're six months past TLJ's release now you still can't even mention Star Wars anywhere without people trying to pitch their best TLJ hot take. Kelly Marie Tran just got chased off social media by the internet hate mob last week, and every comment on every article about it is either "GOOD, GRR SJWS!" or "That's terrible. But I hated her character in TLJ tho".

 

I think we're doomed to this world until someone makes an even more controversial numbered Star Wars episode.



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 05:31 AM

Kelly Marie Tran was great in that movie, and she's such a lovely person in real life.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 03:15 AM

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Report that Disney may be holding off on making Star Wars standalones for the time being. 



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 05:46 AM

Skimmed through the article and I'm more disappointed by this than anything else.

 

If Disney decided to stop working on two Star Wars movies that people actually wanted to see, because don't try to tell be you wouldn't want a solo Boba Fett or Obi-wan, just because of Solo's reception, then it doesn't give me high hopes for that movie.



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:03 PM

Don't worry guys, because there's already a group out there planning to remake The Last Jedi.

 

Our team of producers is offering to cover the budget for a remake of The Last Jedi in order to save Star Wars.  Share this and spread the word to let @RobertIger & @Disney know you want this!  This isn't a joke, we're ready to have the convo now! #RemakeTheLastJedi #StarWars

 

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Posted 22 June 2018 - 01:34 AM

If a crowdfunding campaign actually makes $200 million in order to remake the second best Star Was movie then I have nothing left to say.

Maybe give the money to charity and go and read EU books?

Or buy Kelly Marie Tran a yacht to apologise for being just awful to her?

The Last Jedi that these guys want would be an unwatchable two hours of lore dumping and Luke Skywalker Mary-sue fanfic. Not even if you paid me.
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Posted 22 June 2018 - 03:45 AM

 

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 04:39 AM

I don't want a Bobo Fett or Obi Wan movie. I want a new script with new ideas filled with new characters facing new problems and learning new lessons. If all Star Wars can generate these days is stories about "White Dude Who Realizes He's A Hero" then count me out.

But that's not the case. They seem to be dedicating their efforts towards building new fans, rather than catering to the angry 35 year old man demographic. I'd say that's a good thing. If a star wars movie isn't for me but the kids like it a lot, then great. I don't need another Star Wars movie catered to my specific fanboy interests. I've got decades of EU shenanigans if I want to see Luke being an infallable master of the plot or Bobo being teh c00lest guy evar!!1!

I'd rather see Lucasfilm focus their efforts on something like a Tico Sisters movie to draw in the new generation of people that'll love Star Wars from childhood, just like all of us had.

I'm trying not to say the word diversity because of the cursed implications of that word, but honestly tho. Star Wars has been marketed and geared HEAVILY towards white boys in their tweens for almost 40 years. Seeing a new batch of movies that more people can identify with is nothing but a good idea IMO. Out with the old guard - these guys have been jerks on the internet for almost 2 decades now. Anybody talked to Kelly or Jake recently? Leave this demographic behind. Learn from the mistakes of Solo.

A general audience isn't hype about a Han Solo movie. They didn't want to see another prequel origin. The only people that saw the movie are the die-hards, and it flopped. General audience members have kids and bills and limited money, and chose to see other movies instead. Yeah that's right, people would rather watch Deadpool, Incredibles, or Avengers than the new Star Wars. Most people don't care about Han Solo. Most people don't care about Bobo or even Obi-Wan. It's just the diehards that'll go see these movies. Speaking as one of the die-hards since practically birth, I am now embarrassed to be a Star Wars fan. The fandom has gotten so toxic and gross that I feel like I need to hide my childlike wonder at seeing hyperspace trails and laser sword fights between good and evil. The magic is not gonna be there for the kids growing up today. No little kid wants to be Jyn Entonic or Cassius Condor. Kids don't want to see depressing crime syndicate movies filled with disease and oppression. I mean heck I just saw Solo for a second time the other day and got real uncomfortable watching Stormtroopers at the border checkpoint. Parents aren't going to want to take their kids to a movie that reminds them that they are powerless against a corrupt monolithic government. Not trying to get political but to completely ignore the current climate and double - if not triple - down on the white-dude centric movies is a bad move. There are rumors floating around that this story of the "Star Wars Stories" being canned isn't 100% accurate, and that these movies may actually happen, but honestly I think it'd be a mistake to release these films anytime soon. Who are they for? Who is the audience that Lucasfilm wants to enrapture with these movies? If they make a Bobo movie will my 8 year old niece want to see it? Will the little girl at Target with the Rose Tico backpack want to watch it? It'd be Solo all over again. Diehards will see it, diehards will argue about it, and diehards will kill the franchise.

 

As a lifelong Star Wars fan I'm ready to admit that we haven't been doing our part as a fandom. We've been bitter, angry, loathsome, entitled, and hyper-critical of these movies since the internet came about. Why? Why do we need to analyze every little detail about the Star Wars universe? I mean heck I was trashing George Lucas RIGHT HERE the other week. I feel bad about that. I feel bad about trashing the prequels to 12 year olds on Youtube comments. Let people enjoy things. It costs $0 to not be a huge jerk when someone says they love a thing.

 

I even feel bad for ragging on Game of Thrones as much as I do. It's clear that I'm no longer the target audience for that show either, and I've been real bitter about it the past few years. Why? I don't own the property. It isn't for me. I've read the books about 4 times through and gotten my enjoyment out of them. That show is its own new thing at this point, and while I'm no longer interested I'm glad that it can bring joy and hype to people's lives. Even if it is horrible trash.  :ph34r:

 

The other day I watched Indiana Jones and the thought popped into my head that a "canon timeline" would probably be the worst thing that could happen to that series. Endlessly hounding canon is limiting and adds nothing of value to stories. Having to explain and fill out every detail of the universe kills the magic of it. Having a movie about every character you like will not add to your enjoyment of the previous films. The cancellation(?) of these standalones will hopefully bring about a wash of creative new ideas in a "phase 2" style rebranding after episode 9 comes out. If all Star Wars can do is retread old ground with old characters doing things we already know about, then the brand is dead. Seeing Bobo become the greatest bounty hunter evarrr will not add anything to the cheap laugh of watching him fall into the Sarlaac pit. Knowing what the Kessel Run is and how he did it does not make me care any more about Han Solo, because I already care about Han Solo. I wanted something new, and while I got Qi'ra and the first real deep-dive into Lando's character, the majority of the movie is in service of answering questions that nobody was asking. Other questions like "What was Obi Wan doing while laying low in the desert for 20 years" and "what happened to that kid who's dad got his head chopped off" are not questions burning me up inside that need answers. Stop retreading old ground. Learn from the mistakes of the past. Move forwards with what this universe can do. Move forward with who these movies can inspire. Leave the old guys behind with their dusty books about Sun-Crushers and Yuzzbug Vongs.

 

Kylo Ren is infinitely more interesting than Anakin Solo. Rey being a nobody that comes in as a monkey wrench to the 40-year battle between rebels and empire is a great way to twist the narrative into something new. New blood coming in and shaking up the established themes. Rey doesn't need to be a Skywalker or a Kenobi, because Skywalkers and Kenobis are nobodies too. Snoke being the ghost of Mace Windu's hand or Maz Kanata being Yoda's sister won't excite a single 12 year old. Most 12 year olds haven't even seen the original trilogy. You know what I say to that? Good. Let 12 year olds have their Star Wars. We had ours. It's time to move on. Not saying that you shouldn't see these movies and be excited for them, what I am trying to say is that these movies are not for you anymore.

 

Yes you. This very forum is built on old-guard Star Wars fans. Look at everything we did! We built communities, we made mods, we wrote fan-fictions, we built Lego. . . I mean heck the room which I'm typing this has probably around $2000 USD worth of Star Wars Lego in it RIGHT NOW. 

 

Now look at what Star Wars fandom has become today. Watch any Youtube video about any Star Wars subject and look what people say in the comments. Mention TLJ at work and watch the bearded white dudes scoff at you. Look at the box office numbers of Solo and tell me with a straight face that die-hard Star Wars fanboys deserve anything from Lucasfilm.

 

Let the next generation of Star Wars fans have their day. Let them have their movies. Let them create communities, build Lego, draw pictures, write stories... let them have Star Wars. We had it and we had a great time, and now it's time to let go and let kids fall in love the same way we did. 

 

 

TL;DR: Ah Skywalker, missed you have I. Time it is for you look past a pile of old books. Hm? Heeded my words not did you. Pass on what you have learned. Strength, mastery. . . hmph. But weakness, folly, failure also. Yes, failure most of all. The greatest teacher, failure is. Luke, we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters.


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#2132 Dalton Westmoore

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 06:34 AM

I'm going to have to disagree with you buddy, because I'd love Disney to actually pander to my interests for once.

 

Just because the movie is about a Character we know about doesn't mean that it has to be "OOH LET'S PLEASE ALL THE NECKBEARED FANBOYS OOH" A movie about Obi Wan or Boba Fett can still have new ideas or new lessons to teach, but it all hinges on the script or director making good choices. Also, what are you talking about? Boba Fett isn't even white anymore: he's portrayed by a New Zealand Actor. I'd love to see Disney actually do something with characters that I actually care about, instead of making carbon copies of them like Phasma. But Disney doesn't care what I think: Disney only cares about what makes them money, and since Solo didn't preform well, I doubt they will ever try to actually try something different like that again.

 

Another point I'd like to hit on (because it's apparently an even bigger problem now) is that if the Empire made you uncomfortable during that border scene you talked about, then it was intentional. Disney isn't being subtle or clever with the Empire, because why do that when you can beat people over the head with the message that "WHITE SUPREMACIST SPACE NAZIS ARE BAD DURR" I know that this was probably the case with the old canon, but they aren't even trying. These days, the Empire consists of nothing but Space Nazis, Competent Villains who can't do jack because then things would actually be interesting, and Good People who will obviously desert because when have any good people worked for the bad guys amiright? The more of the new Empire I see, the more I appreciate the Empire from Episodes 4 & 5, back when they were an actual threat: thanks to Episode 6, the Empire is a joke. Nazis were a legitimately scary part of our history, and when the empire was portrayed as them, they were freaking terrifying. Now, the Empire is portrayed like Naizs from propaganda, so they act like stupid clods who are mean sometimes. It makes me angry to see them continualy get away with atrocious writing for the villains, even though they're arguably more popular with fans, but its okay because nobody likes the Empire amiright? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

Being embarrassed about a toxic part of your fandom is a really stupid reason for giving up on it entirely. Should I stop hoping for a Boba Fett or Obi Wan movie just because the possibility is slim? No. I want to see a movie with characters I actually care about, dammit, not a bunch of new people who I have zero connection with. Should I probably try to form a connection with these new characters, yeah, but Disney better actually try to make them good instead of being like "Well, if you didn't like Rose or Holdo, its because you're a misogynistic a-hole, not because we didn't write a good character for them." At least they're trying with Rey enough that I actually care what she does, because she's starting to break out of the Mary Sue mold because she's going through character development (I wish I could say the same about the male characters, but like in every movie I've seen with a female lead, the men are either stupid or evil).

 

Long story short, I don't care if Disney makes movies about characters from the old canon who I actually care about, or makes movies about new characters I need to build a connection with. I just want them to try, not tell me that if I don't like what they've made its because there's something wrong with me instead of them.

 

EDIT: Yes, I would have liked to have some answers about Rey's Parents or Snoke's past. You know why? BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM. Yeah, Rey doesn't have to be related to Anakin or Obi Wan to be interesting, but you can supply a better answer to that question than "Yeah, they were drunks who didn't care about you. Who cares if people wanted a better answer to this question?!" Snoke doesn't have to be Mace Windu, but the least you can do is answer questions we have about him, like how did he become the Supreme Leader, instead of killing him off in the next movie you show him in. Don't tell me that I'm a toxic fanboy for wanting answers to questions that you failed to answer, you stupid multi-million dollar company!  :brickwall:

 

 



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Posted 28 June 2018 - 07:23 AM

As a lifelong Star Wars fan I'm ready to admit that we haven't been doing our part as a fandom. We've been bitter, angry, loathsome, entitled, and hyper-critical of these movies since the internet came about. Why? Why do we need to analyze every little detail about the Star Wars universe? I mean heck I was trashing George Lucas RIGHT HERE the other week. I feel bad about that. I feel bad about trashing the prequels to 12 year olds on Youtube comments. Let people enjoy things. It costs $0 to not be a huge jerk when someone says they love a thing.

 

I even feel bad for ragging on Game of Thrones as much as I do. It's clear that I'm no longer the target audience for that show either, and I've been real bitter about it the past few years. Why? I don't own the property. It isn't for me. I've read the books about 4 times through and gotten my enjoyment out of them. That show is its own new thing at this point, and while I'm no longer interested I'm glad that it can bring joy and hype to people's lives. Even if it is horrible trash.  :ph34r:

 

Florent, I wish I could Like that whole thing more than once, but I especially wish I could Double Like this bit. I've spent so many hours of my life writing stupid garbage about Star Wars on the internet, most of it on this very forum, and while I thankfully shouted all my adolescent hate for the Prequels into a pre-social-media internet where none of it could reach any of the actual creators of those movies, it still occupies that part of my memory that my mind loves to dredge up to embarrass me with when I can't sleep at night.

 

And, y'know, I didn't like the Prequels, and I still don't, but that needs to be the end of the story. "I didn't like it. OK, now to move on with my life...". Instead it was "I didn't like it, time to spend the entire rest of my life coming up with new ways to tell everyone how much I hated it". I like to think I would have had the decency not to hound George Lucas or Jake Lloyd or whoever on social media if I'd had the chance, but the fact is that I didn't have that chance, and I don't know that I can give my young, furious-about-children's-movies self the benefit of the doubt. God, I'm just so, so relieved that I was born before social media :P

 

At this point I would never introduce myself as a fan of Star Wars, because that time is over. The tide has turned. "Star Wars fan" is turning into the rallying warcry of the gross incel manchild contingent who have somehow convinced themselves that their hateful opinion about a fictional space wizard not only has value in this day and age (not being political, but oh my God come on), but that it NEEDS TO BE HEARD. I literally saw some horrible man talking about how he didn't care that he'd chased Kelly Marie Tran off the internet, all he cared about was that Lucasfilm listened to his opinions, and I think that might have broken me. I know not all Star Wars fans are terrible, but the ones who are are so vocal and so terrible that I just don't want any part of it. They want their perfect Star Wars movie that ticks all their imaginary checkboxes, oh yes and also doesn't have any people of colour or women with agency in the plot, and we all have to pretend they aren't just being openly racist and sexist by referring to Disney casting non-white-men as an 'agenda' oh my GOD.

 

Ugh, I don't know any more. It got really bad, you guys. It all got really bad, and I have no confidence that it's going to get better again. The bad guys are winning, but what makes it worse is that they genuinely think they're the good guys. And, I mean, you always have the nice thought to fall back on that all the older people with the bad opinions are going to die one day, like with racism and homophobia and stuff, but I feel like this culture of "Go and harass someone on social media any time you aren't happy about anything" is only growing, and young people live on their phones in a way that would put even my hopeless internet addiction to shame, so maybe this is just what life is from now on. 

 

I do still really want to see what happens to all my favourite characters in Episode IX, though. I mean, I'm lying to myself by pretending I don't like Star Wars, because I super do and I'm never going to stop, but I kind of dread what's going to happen when IX comes out.



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Posted 28 June 2018 - 09:04 AM

Florent, I wish I could Like that whole thing more than once, but I especially wish I could Double Like this bit.

 

I wish I could too, but I don't plan it.

 

Why? Because the entire time it felt like he was s***-talking me for wanting to see movies about characters that I would like to see movies made about, like Obi-wan and Boba Fett.

 

I have no problem with the new Star Wars movies, but I do have a problem with people saying that I'm toxic for finding fault with their seemingly 'perfect' movies. I don't hate these films, but they do have things in them that I do despise. The only problem, is that since only actual toxic fans of Star Wars are the ones that are the most vocal, everyone things that people who have criticism on the movie are just as toxic. It's really rich seeing this come from a company that promotes so much diversity to be indiscriminately cracking down on anyone who has a slight problem with their movies. I have no problem with a diverse cast of characters: ATLA has a really diverse cast of characters that I really do care about. But creating characters to be of a difference race or gender and only promoting that fact about them instead of good character traits is insulting to my intelligence. I feel like this trilogy is using characters the same way Wonder Woman did, with the woman being the only cool one, with the men being either dumb or evil.

 

I don't know if I dislike them just because they expect me to like them just because they're diverse, or if I am being too nit-picky about it, but I kind of feel like I may be acting too harsh towards them.



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Posted 28 June 2018 - 11:54 AM

At least they're trying with Rey enough that I actually care what she does, because she's starting to break out of the Mary Sue mold because she's going through character development.


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Puh-lease spare me that tripe about Rey being a Mary Sue, I thought we had worked through this already at least. If Rey is a Mary Sue, then Luke Skywalker was a Gary Stu of gargantuan proportions. There are rational explanations for Rey's abilities in TFA, much more so than the hand-waving "Like father, like son" of ANH.


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Why? Because the entire time it felt like he was s***-talking me for wanting to see movies about characters that I would like to see movies made about, like Obi-wan and Boba Fett.
 
I have no problem with a diverse cast of characters: ATLA has a really diverse cast of characters that I really do care about. But creating characters to be of a difference race or gender and only promoting that fact about them instead of good character traits is insulting to my intelligence.
 
I don't know if I dislike them just because they expect me to like them just because they're diverse, or if I am being too nit-picky about it, but I kind of feel like I may be acting too harsh towards them.


Y'know what they say, a hit dog hollers (for the record: I absolutely want to see an Obi-Wan anthology film). You say you don't hate them yet in the same breath say there are elements you despise. Despise is a strong word. Also, on your screed over diversity, I'm struggling to see your point. I fail to see where the only thing being promoted about the new characters is gender/race. It seems to me that you're taking these characters at face-value and doing some serious projecting.

To your last point, yeah, you are.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:22 PM

Dalton I'm gonna be straight with ya. I think you need to re-read what I wrote a couple times, because yeah. It's pretty much directed exactly at the type of person who'd have your response. You do not own Star Wars. It does not belong to you, nor did it ever. Sit. Use the force. Think.

 

You only control your own feelings. You love the OT, maybe the prequels, maybe even the ST and standalones. Great! I never want to take that away from you. I want you to enjoy Star Wars as much as you can, because the more light and love and enjoyment we have in the world the better. 

 

What I don't want is for you (and your allies) to act like diversity (yes, even for its own sake) is somehow anything but a virtue. Having a cast of characters that everyone can see themselves in is important. Just look at you, you had Luke, Anakin, Han, and a plethora of other characters from the past eternity of fiction. 

 

What does the girl at Target with the backpack have? Her dad liked Star Wars when he was a kid but never read the books, maybe he played lightsabers and princesses in his back yard as a kid just like I did, and I assume you did. I want that for his daughter. I want that for the kid who only ever sees his ethnic group portrayed in villainous roles. I want the kid to know that having purple hair can be totally normal for people in charge. I want kids to look at Rey and know that if they have a good heart and try their hardest they can succeed in doing the right thing. I want kids to look at Poe and realize that they can't always be the hero of the story. Sometimes the thing you think is right will get you into trouble, and that yes. Sometimes it is better to sit down and let women speak. It's okay. It's hard to hear, that you're not the chosen one. But here's the thing, you were. Those movies still exist. You want to watch Obi Wan? You've got 6 movies of Obi Wan plus however many seasons of Clone Wars. You wanna know more about Boba Fett? Read one of the dozens of EU novels about how cool and badass he is. I used to and I loved it. That never went away. You have 40 years of material catered directly to your demographic. Enjoy it, but let the rest of us play too okay?

 

I'm not mad at you, I just wish you weren't mad at us.

 

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 01:49 PM

Puh-lease spare me that tripe about Rey being a Mary Sue, I thought we had worked through this already at least. If Rey is a Mary Sue, then Luke Skywalker was a Gary Stu of gargantuan proportions. There are rational explanations for Rey's abilities in TFA, much more so than the hand-waving "Like father, like son" of ANH.

Y'know what they say, a hit dog hollers (for the record: I absolutely want to see an Obi-Wan anthology film). You say you don't hate them yet in the same breath say there are elements you despise. Despise is a strong word. Also, on your screed over diversity, I'm struggling to see your point. I fail to see where the only thing being promoted about the new characters is gender/race. It seems to me that you're taking these characters at face-value and doing some serious projecting.

To your last point, yeah, you are.

 

Going to respond to your points in bullets:

 

1. You missed the entire point of what I was talking about. In the Force Awakens, Rey is a Mary Sue: She's able to fly spaceships and use the force without any training. But in the Last Jedi, she goes through character development, which in that movie happens to be failing at everything she sets out to do. She doesn't get Luke to physically leave Achtoo, she doesn't turn Kylo from the Dark Side, and she even loses her lightsaber: she realizes that this isn't going to be able to get through this as easily as she did in the last film. I like her more in the Last Jedi because she has to actually work to get the victory at the end of the movie. Would you want to read/watch a story/movie where the protagonist gets an easy win? No, because without character development (i.e. CONFLICT), a character is boring. I like Rey more now because she's a stronger heroine by the end of the film than when she started.

 

2. I guess I really failed at conveying what I meant, which is normal for me at this point. I guess the reason why I'm annoyed is that in the films I'm supposed to care about people because they're different from what we're used to Star Wars, not because they're actually well written characters. I want to be able to care about Finn because he's a good story arc in the movies, not because he's the first black man in a leading role in a Star Wars movie.  I want to care about these characters like how I care about the cast of ATLA: because they're well written characters, not because they're different races or genders. What I'm trying to say is that I don't hate these characters because they're different races or genders, I hate the fact that I'm supposed to love these characters because they're different races and genders and nothing else. I guess this is most likely to blame on the fact because I haven't read too much material on any of them outside of the movies, so I haven't built up a strong enough connection with them yet. I probably should give them a better chance at this and not assume this stuff at face value like you said, but it's hard not to when I know so little about them.

 

I'm not mad at you, I just wish you weren't mad at us.

 

Okay, I'm going to be straight with you now, too.

 

The thing that annoyed me in your initial post can essentially be boiled down to this:

 

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The feeling that I got from your post is that you don't want to see anything from the old canon return, because who cares if any of that stuff was good? We should start with a clean slate!

 

You seem to think that I should only be content with the old Star Wars stuff that Disney wanted to have nothing to do with. The argument you made about kids growing up with this new generation of Star Wars could easily be made with a Obi-wan or Boba Fett. The only reason why kids don't care about those things is that Disney has refused to do anything with them. Obi-wan only showed up a few times in Rebels, and only Boba Fett's armor has show up: of course they're not going to be able to make a connection with characters that don't show up in anything because Disney doesn't want to use them.

 

The only thing that makes it even more frustrating is that it seems like I'm the only one who feels this way. I love Star Wars, and I'd love to see things that I loved in the old canon to return, but Disney seems to have no interest in it, and the fact that everybody else on here is so okay with it makes me want to scream.



#2138 Sephsekla

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 12:48 AM

Dalton, nobody's asking you to love the characters just because of their race or gender. If that's your immediate knee jerk reaction it tbh says more about you than the films. They're different races or different genders because, you know what? So is the world.

It frustrates me when the term Mary Sue gets thrown around, because it strangely enough never gets used to describe guys. Almost like it's steeped in this sexist bull that women can't be talented.

Rey has so many failures of character and action, and the things she excels at are no more outlandish than Anakin or Luke "Had an afternoon of training" Skywalker.

Finn has a great character arc over two films, from his desperation to run away to his heroism approaching things on later.

All of the most beloved Star Wars characters were at one point unknown to us, that's how characters work. We should embrace the new characters and opportunities, not try and drag them down because they're not Luke.
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#2139 Dalton Westmoore

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:20 AM

I will actually respond to this in depth later, since I have to go to work soon, but I have been too harsh on these new characters.

 

Mostly because in Florent's original post I got the feeling that he told me I should piss off because I wanted to see Disney to do something with characters I actually knew really well.



#2140 Florent

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:07 AM

Literally don't have any idea how you got that from what I wrote but it's k. Prolly my last post on this for a while, I said what I wanted to say.

Star Wars has exhausted it's old characters. It's time for something new, because the past 40 years have been recycling old themes and characters ad infinitum. Boba Fett is played out, there's a lot of room for growth once you stop locking yourself into the same 6-10 characters for decades.

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