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#2001 Ocelot

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Posted 25 December 2017 - 09:25 PM

I added Rogue One in as it's my favourite and I wanted to vote on it.

 

OK fine, but on your head be it when we end up having to put the Han Solo movie on these polls :P



#2002 Goldy

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 03:43 AM

It could be good! (It won't)



#2003 Sir_Muffonious

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Posted 26 December 2017 - 08:01 AM

Star Wars has never featured hard science, good acting, or dialogue. It has always been ham-fisted writing and passable delivery, but we liked it because we were kids and it was fun. I get the gripes about characterization and the actual plot details (not the tedious plothole arguments based on Wookiepedia science), but to act like bad writing and acting is some departure from the Star Wars tradition is just absurd.

 

In any case, the dialogue is about as bad as any Disney/Marvel conglomerate production (or any George Lucas-written movie, for that matter), in that some of it is cringe-worthy borderline pandering gif-bait, but the acting is fine, considering a lot of the characters (Luke, Leia, Rey, and Kylo excluded) are not asked to do any emotional heavy lifting whatsoever (which is another issue altogether, but one that nobody really seems to be raising, because they're too concerned about how Disney nerfed Luke, or how space fuel doesn't work that way).


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Posted 26 December 2017 - 11:27 PM

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Star Wars has this weird thing about it where we all have to pretend that they aren't just movies for some reason. The massive, bloated mound of throbbing meat product that is the canon must be appeased before anything else. Bad acting, bad writing, hokey special effects; if you dig down deep enough into a Wookieepedia hole you'll find in-universe explanations for everything. You want to know something that'll just ruin your day? There's a canon explanation for how Luke seems to spend more time on Dagobah in ESB than Han and Leia do in their half of the story: Dagobah is canonically a Dragonball Z Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Luke spent six months there doing backflips while Han and Leia were trapped in a space worm:

 

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Because it couldn't simply be something Lawrence Kasdan did for convenience when he wrote the script, right? After all, Empire Strikes Back isn't a movie, it's a window into the Star Wars universe circa 3 ABY. Star Wars actually happened, you guys, and we must all keep up this shared delusion, otherwise who knows what will happen?

 

So we have this situation where people are comparing this movie to one that came out FORTY EARTH YEARS AGO and genuinely saying "Hey, this doesn't match up, what gives?", and then not accepting the simple answer that movies are different now than they were back then, because that doesn't fit into the canon. So Rey can have sick lightsabre fights like a week after getting Force powers, while Luke was still throwing rocks at buttons that were too far away for him to press when he was calling himself a Jedi Master. The answer to this is that special effects are a lot easier to do in 2017, and the whole culture of action movies in Hollywood has changed to one where actors are all required to have shredded six packs and go through six-month combat training courses before doing a movie. In 1977, nobody complained that a showdown between two masters looked like two old men trading arthritic love taps, but if you tried to anything like that in a Star Wars movie today audiences would laugh, it'd be the hot take topic of the month, and Kathleen Kennedy would cut ties with you. When Poe pulls off some crazy nutso moves in an X-Wing that put Anakin Skywalker's legendary Force-enhanced piloting to shame, it's not supposed to be because Poe was an immaculate conception by the Top Gun gods; it's just because the CGI studio felt like they had to outdo whichever space battle movie came out the previous summer. 

 

Likewise, Rey being a clever, self-sufficient gal is part of her character, but she isn't supposed to be some one-in-a-million prodigy. She picks up being a Jedi pretty quickly because we, the audience, want to see her doing cool new stuff, and people would complain if she wasn't doing all the things we associate with being a Jedi ("Oh, we have to buy another ticket in two years to see her use the lightsabre? God, thanks a lot Disney. Anything to milk money out of people"). Unfortunately, because the canon says that Luke took three years to learn how to pull his lightsabre towards him and Rey did it on her first day, now we all have to wring our hands for years about why she is or isn't a Mary Sue, when the answer is literally just "It was a cool moment in the movie".

 

See also: anyone who's reaction to Holdo's manoeuvre, a scene that is literally making audiences around the world gasp in awe, is "Uh, actually, this is inconsistent with the canon, see the following Wookieepedia articles for details, also why doesn't everyone just kill themselves in every space battle? Checkmate, Disney".



#2005 Ocelot

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Posted 27 December 2017 - 09:41 PM

Leaked promo for the Han Solo movie:

 

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I don't have high hopes for this movie, but they don't look too bad all costumed up. I guess I want to see the Millennium Falcon all dolled up in its early days. Ugh, I'll watch this stupid thing.



#2006 Dalton Westmoore

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 09:19 AM

So, I just got back from seeing the Last Jedi, and even though its probably a little late to jump on the bandwagon, I’m going to post my thoughts on it anyway:

 

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Posted 06 January 2018 - 07:13 PM

*For future readers of this thread, as of this post the thread title has been edited to read 'A Thread Of Pure, Unadulterated Cancer'*

 

Oh good, more hyperbolic vitriol about this children's movie you didn't like. My favourite thing to read on the internet. 

 

How are we going to break out of this bipolar "It was the best"/"It was the worst" thing where everyone immediately goes to 11 and stays there forever? Let's try spinning, that's a good trick:

 

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#2008 Darknoon

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Posted 07 January 2018 - 10:43 AM

A couple of things:

 

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Also, I watched both this film and TFA again. A couple of things stunk a little more on the second viewing, but the things that worked worked even better a second time around with proper context. TFA feels more rewarding when it doesn't feel like half the film is dangling all this JJ mystery box schmuck in front of the viewer.

 

EDIT: I also watched 'Hail, Caesar!' this weekend. Great film I'd recommend if you're a fan of 50-60s big-budget cinema like Ben-Hur, as it's the Coens' comedic tribute to that era of cinema. Anyway, Aiden Ehrenreich, the guy playing the young Han Solo, was pretty good in that film. That said, he was doing a comedy performance as a character who can't act, but he was very entertaining, and I - think - it made me somewhat more optimistic about the film? Idunno.


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 09:55 PM

EDIT: I also watched 'Hail, Caesar!' this weekend. Great film I'd recommend if you're a fan of 50-60s big-budget cinema like Ben-Hur, as it's the Coens' comedic tribute to that era of cinema. Anyway, Aiden Ehrenreich, the guy playing the young Han Solo, was pretty good in that film. That said, he was doing a comedy performance as a character who can't act, but he was very entertaining, and I - think - it made me somewhat more optimistic about the film? Idunno.

 

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#2010 Darknoon

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 02:55 PM

This is a pretty great article.


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#2011 Goldy

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 04:49 PM

 

 

This is a pretty great article.

 

That is great, thank you for sharing that. I'm looking forward to watching the movie a second time to see what I think following articles such as this.

 

The film for me was definitely about legacy and for the old generation to pass on the torch on to the maturing next generation. I think it was successful in most counts. I was happy with how Rey has been handed the responsibility of the Jedi with some much needed grounding and wisdom from Luke so that the new order (if there is one) will not be founded on romantic/heroic ideals about the old jedi that will doom it to fail. 

 

Though needing a little suspension of disbelief, I was also happy with Poe's transition from someone who clearly should not be the leader into someone who has potential to be the president elect of the Resistance.

 

Finn... I'm disapointed with. I understand better what his arc was about but the execution I just found boring unfortunately. It's a shame because I like him and I like (Rose?) as well.

 

 

 

 



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:02 AM

I went to see the movie again today, and I took my Mum this time, so for your enjoyment, I present the thoughts of a wonderful woman who has now seen each and every mainline Star Wars movie exactly once, in the cinema during its original theatrical run:

 

- "Well, it was typical Star Wars, wasn't it?"

 

- "The guy was massive! That chest! How tall do you think he is in real life?" (Maybe now you can see where I get it from :P)

 

- "He's funny though. Almost a bit childish, but I suppose that's his character."

 

- She liked the Canto Bight horses and the crystal critters, loved the Porgs

 

- She's loves Rey, but she's torn on who she wants her to end up with in the end

 

- "Where are they going to go from here?" (I tried to tease out some predictions on Episode IX, but she's not that kind of movie watcher)

 

- "Why are people saying they hate it so much, though?" (Oh Mum, you sweet summer child...)

 

And now back to some thoughts from me:

 

I love this movie! I enjoyed it a lot more the second time through, picking up on things I completely missed the first time around and seeing how it all works together now that I know how it all ends up. I kept finding myself thinking "Wow that bit was good, but oh man this next bit's going to be good", pretty much all the way through. I'm starting to entertain the possibility that I might like this one just as much as Empire Strikes Back; it's definitely up there. It's just so rich with good, meaty character-driven stuff that I love (so... dense, one might say), such a wonderful step outside and beyond the established rules of engagement of a Star Wars movie.

 

So I'm not going to reiterate the whole 'subverting expectations' thing we've all heard about at this point, but I do want to talk about why I enjoyed it so much. I think it says something that, for the last couple of years, we'd all been expecting Rian Johnson to do something unusual with Star Wars. We know he's off-beat, we heard all the stories about how Mark Hamill had been apprehensive, Lawrence Kasdan called it 'weird', we saw Johnson himself Tweet that Lucasfilm had given him free rein to write and direct exactly the movie he wanted. Then the trailer comes out, and Luke's line "This is not going to go the way you think" has pride of place. We knew it was going to be something different right?

 

...and yet still all this backlash, still all the hate and vitriol, still all these 'grown adults' taking to social media to bully whichever filmmakers they can find and every other horrible thing the internet does. It's like people see Star Wars as this creaking old relic of the old world, something you aren't even allowed to look at funny lest it all crumble to pieces. You just have to spackle over some cracks and perform minor structural repairs at regular intervals, for the relic must stand unsullied for all of time, otherwise *insert disaster here*. Don't ever step outside these rigid guidelines, all renovations must be up to code, any violation will be met with harsh penalties (i.e. Star Wars is dead, betrayal of Star Wars, Kathleen Kennedy's self-insert, etc).

 

The Last Jedi has some fun with people's expectations of a Star War, and it does so in the service of a wonderful new story I thoroughly enjoyed, with characters I absolutely love, and that's basically as far as it goes. To hear people talk you'd think the movie was constantly pulling gotchas the whole way through or something. I really like the feeling it has of stepping out into the unknown a little, outside the standard set of Star Wars tropes into uncharted territory where you can't rely on any foreknowledge to tell you how things are going to go. When a certain pair of characters walk into a certain throne room, there's absolutely no telling what is going to happen in there, and I love it. I want to watch it again already.

 

Everything in the movie ties into its lovely, inspiring central themes of making peace with our failures and moving on with our lives, great things coming from small beginnings, and the ol' spark of hope lighting the fire of goodness and people being nice to eachother, saving what we love. Ah, it's almost enough to make you forget the reality of, y'know, reality for a couple of hours. Enough to make you think fondly about all the innocent kids growing up on these new Star Wars movies, before they get older, discover the internet and then nothing can ever satisfy them again.

 

EDIT - Some more things I love about this movie:

 

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#2013 Ocelot

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:11 AM

LOOK WHAT I FOUND YOU GUYS!

 

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YES THIS DOES NEED A POST ALL TO ITSELF!



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:48 AM

LOOK WHAT I FOUND YOU GUYS!

 

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If you don't know and haven't guessed it, the internet has given Kylo a new nickname because of this shot:

Ben Swolo.


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#2015 Sir_Muffonious

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:27 AM

he's so ugly and hot


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#2016 Ocelot

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 06:27 PM

he's so ugly and hot

 

I know, right? He's got those stick-y-out-y ears and such a hilariously big nose, but UUUUUUHHHH he makes it work.

 

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In other news I found the best video in human history:

 

 

There is exactly one comment on that video, from one 'kylo ren' saying "U are so cute". And people say Reylo isn't real.

 

EDIT - Look at this pretty picture you guys:

 

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EDIT - Pictured: the best part of this movie:

 

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#2017 Ocelot

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:47 AM

Delivery for SSLF. It says it's "Your new favourite gif" and it's from "Your pal Ocelot"? Sign here, please.

 

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#2018 Randomman96

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 05:49 PM

Ocelot right now on anything involving Shirtless Kylo:

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(If you want to know, that is taken from this....   I don't even know what to call it, done by the same person who gave us this masterpiece, not putting the images in directly because they are quite long)  

 

On that note of how Ocelot clearly feels about Shirtless Kylo, have the real weapon to surpass Metal Gear Ocelot.  (The internet is a wonderful thing, isn't it?)


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#2019 Dalton Westmoore

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Posted 15 January 2018 - 09:17 PM

Oh hey, I remember that comic. Here's a video of that for anyone who likes that kind of stupid.

 

If you liked that, you'd probably enjoy these too.



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Posted 16 January 2018 - 05:02 AM

Rey is the rebellious teen daughter who wants to follow the guidance of her father figure, Luke, but feels inexorably drawn to the bad boy in her life, Kylo Ren. Kylo, for his part, feels that same desire, that forbidden love for a girl from the wrong side of the tracks. Luke catches the two of them together and explodes with anger, but Rey defies her father and runs out of the house to meet her true love. Kylo isn't quite ready to give in and tells his Dad (Snoke) about them, but when Snoke forces him to break up with her, Kylo realises that he truly loves Rey. With both their fathers out of the way, they throw caution to the wind and have wild, uninhibited (metaphorical) sex in the throne room.
 
The Last Jedi: A Star Wars Love Story... from a certain point of view.





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