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#7461 Dalton Kringle

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 09:13 AM

Or you could "stay woke," as the kids say these days, and just not buy the game AT ALL.  I did the same with the first new Battlefront, even after being impressed by the demo's graphics; and I haven't regretted it once.  The beauty of the Capitalist system is that you can make a difference with how and where you spend your money.  You just need to make informed decisions, and the information I have gathered tells me that EA doesn't need a penny from me.  Don't wait for a sale, don't rent it from a store, just spend your time and money on a game from a company you want to support.  Or invest it for the future, so you can afford to buy better games' collector's editions later on, if you so desire.  Up to you.  I need to take a few deep breaths. 

 

Honestly, Cappy, I appreciate your advice, but I still plan on buying the game. I have played a little bit of the first Battlefront game, and I enjoyed it even though it was extremely limited. I doubt that anyone would be able to dissuade me from playing a multi-era Star Wars game, even if EA is pulling all of this bull.

 

However, I do not plan on buying the game immediately. I'm going to wait until the game goes on sale, or EA decides to get their act together and make a Star Wars game that doesn't play like a mobile game.

 

But, on a happier note, I'm going to drop this video here:

 

 

The only way to make it more accurate to the game would be to have them pay 20,000 bucks for Iden to play with them. Then, after paying, tell them that it now costs 5,000, and then remove the option to get refunds. :P



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 01:19 PM

If you buy it, you're endorsing their business practices. Doesn't matter if you wait for a sale, doesn't matter how loudly you complain about it. A purchase = endorsement. Period.
 
 
EA could not give less of a damn about all this negative press because the game is still selling. Everyone made a big deal about that Reddit post that got downvoted, but how much you wanna bet that at least half of the what...600,000 people who downvoted it still bought the game?
 

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#7463 Randomman96

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 03:19 PM

EA could not give less of a damn about all this negative press because the game is still selling. Everyone made a big deal about that Reddit post that got downvoted, but how much you wanna bet that at least half of the what...600,000 people who downvoted it still bought the game?

Hell, quite a few people over there fail to realize they aren't the center of the universe and are nothing but a minority of all of those who would buy the game.  Because despite the dust they kick, they don't change anything, because lets look at a few things:

  1. It's an EA game.  EA is one of the largest publishers out there.  There games still typically sell.  On that note, it's a DICE game.  DICE has yet to have a game that doesn't sell well.
  2. It's a Star Wars game.  Everyone and their mother and their dog knows how big Star Wars is.  It will sell for being a Star Wars title regardless.
  3. It's a Star Wars title with a new movie coming out shortly after.  Battlefront 2015 sold amazingly well because of this.  The original battlefronts sold well off of the fan train that was from Episode II and Episode III, regardless of what people thought of the prequels.  Add to the fact that EA and DICE is also advertising stuff from The Last Jedi being in the game, plus a whole expansion dedicated to The Last Jedi, well, people are just going to have to get it.
  4. It's a Q4 title.  Those titles will typically sell well thanks to things like Black Friday sales/deals, Holiday Sales, and Christmas Shopping.  Because people know what would make a great gift?  That new Star Wars video game that just recently came out.  Oh, and more people will likely want it more BECAUSE of point 3 (The Last Jedi releasing shortly after).

What's that old expression?  "No publicity is bad publicity"?  People might hear about this, then see DICE and EA said they are changing it, they go "Problem solved" and buy it, regardless of if it changes or not.  Let us not forget the gaming community in general is horrible at putting their money where their mouth is.  Oh, and let us also not forget the whole "EA Cycle meme", where people will forget about this and it will come up again, repeating itself forever.  

 

Honestly, them more reddit tries to claim the "most downvoted comment ever" as a victory, the more they are shooting themselves in the foot.  They are just giving DICE and EA free advertising for Battlefront 2, and it's likely the game will sell even well.

 

Oh well, I guess when this they try kicking dust up again when something like this happens again, I can say "I told you so" with how ineffective they'll be.


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 06:53 PM

EA has removed all microtransactions from Battlefront 2 and says "all progression will be earned through gameplay".

 

This story has been blowing up so widely in the last few days that it reached self-sustaining meme status, and even found its way to CNN, so whether EA's analysts worked out it was going to affect their bottom line or Disney themselves stepped in and gave them a jolly good bollocking for bringing this much negative press down on their baby a month before the new movie, here we are.

 

Now, granted, they also say that "The ability to purchase crystals in-game will become available at a later date, only after we’ve made changes to the game. We’ll share more details as we work through this.", so it could go back to being just as bad as ever in a few weeks. But, focusing on the positives for now, a stink was kicked up and a change was made. They'll be launching this game and going through its period of heaviest play with no extra revenue beyond what selling a video game would already have brought, no doubt saying goodbye to millions of dollars in profit, because they remembered that it's the customers who pay their salary and the whole idea is to make the customer happy so they'll keep paying your salary.



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:12 PM

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Posted 16 November 2017 - 07:52 PM

Eeeeeeeeeh I'm gonna guess this is more because of the whole 'gambling' thing than out of any actual sudden desire to be more pro-consumer. That's a can of worms that could actually have affected their bottom line more than pulling the mictrotransactions, Especially if gaming commissions here in the US started sniffing around.
 
 
I expect we'll see microtransactions return in a month or so in more copacetic form. Gonna guess they'll remove the randomized lootbox element and go back to the traditional straight-up buy2win model.


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 08:18 PM

Yeah, I don't credit them with any compassion or anything, but I'll take what I can get. Whether they're worried about losing sales, upsetting Disney, speeding up the process of getting some gambling regulations in place on this stuff or whatever else, this is still a high-profile backtrack. Hopefully seeing that not even the biggest publisher with the most popular franchise can get away with this kind of rubbish scot-free will keep everyone else honest, for a short time at least. Obviously this isn't going to stop microtransactions in their tracks, but maybe it'll delay the inevitable death of video games by... I don't know, a month or two.

 

I suppose the other way of looking at it is that EA is selling a game that has no microtransactions at launch, but presumably the same grindy progression curve that was designed to irritate people into buying microtransactions in the first place, so when they do patch those microtransactions in people are going to be even sicker of the grind and even more prepared to get out their wallets. Maybe everything is terrible and nothing will ever be good again.

 

But before you make that trip down to your local Short Length of Rope store, maybe play Killer is Dead for free thanks to the Humble Store's newest sale.

 

EDIT - So apparently the CEO of Disney did call the CEO of EA today, and within a matter of hours we had today's little announcement. Don't make Big Daddy Disney upset :P

 

And Geoff Keighley says to "Expect the unexpected" at his Game Awards in a few weeks. I'm sure I don't need to tell you guys what that means. But, just in case, DMC5 confirmed, obviously.



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Posted 16 November 2017 - 10:38 PM

And Geoff Keighley says to "Expect the unexpected" at his Game Awards in a few weeks. I'm sure I don't need to tell you guys what that means. But, just in case, DMC5 confirmed, obviously.

Sigh, who wants to take this turn of chalking another one on the board for "Ocelot getting hopes up for DMC5 and will have them dashed again"?


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Posted 16 November 2017 - 11:22 PM

Sigh, who wants to take this turn of chalking another one on the board for "Ocelot getting hopes up for DMC5 and will have them dashed again"?

 

Nobody does, and nobody will need to, because IT IS HAPPENING SO SUPER HARD THIS TIME, BABY!

 

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#7470 Goldy

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 06:49 AM

This sudden change from EA is certainly a surprise! I agree with the consensus it likely has something to do with the investigations around the gambling element which is not good for Disney's (or Star Wars actually) 'kid/family friendly image'. but it'll also have something to do with the reviews as well. As we've heard before - review scores are everything to publishers and Battlefront II has performed worse than EA will have hoped. All of the reviews have the same criticism - a good game brought down by micro transactions. 

 

So what now? My hope is that EA will back peddle enough that the loot box system will be cosmetic only and they adjust the numbers to make the game less of a grind. It really is their only hope to save some PR out of this mess.

 

Aggregate score Aggregator Score Metacritic (PC) 79/100
(PS4) 74/100
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Review scores Publication Score EGM 7/10

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 01:46 PM

I expect we'll see microtransactions return in a month or so in more copacetic form. Gonna guess they'll remove the randomized lootbox element and go back to the traditional straight-up buy2win model.

 

 

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Posted 17 November 2017 - 06:00 PM

So, the same thing that's been available in the Battlefield games since the 3rd one that no one ever complained about.

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 03:14 AM

Valkyria Chronicles 4 is coming in 2018, to PS4, XB1 and Switch. Looks like a return to the anime WW1 Europe style instead of whatever that Azure Revelation game was:

 

 

Sega is teasing some kind of RPG thing for tomorrow:

 

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The Washington Post has an article entitled "How a Star Wars video game faced charges that it was promoting gambling", and I'm sure you can guess the subject. It reveals that not only did the CEO of Disney call the CEO of EA, but Disney's chairman of consumer products and interactive media got in on the bollocking, too. And there's an interesting section about how both China and South Korea have already instituted laws regulating the use of loot boxes in games, plus a quote from none other than Jim Sterling.



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Posted 20 November 2017 - 08:18 AM

http://www.eurogamer...n-battlefront-1

 

More woes for Battlefront 2.

 

The sad thing is though that BF2 is beaten in the top spot by COD WW2 - another horrific lootbox game which maybe (unfairly) has not received as much bad rep as it perhaps deserves.



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Posted 20 November 2017 - 12:42 PM

http://www.eurogamer...n-battlefront-1

 

More woes for Battlefront 2.

 

Take with grain of salt folks.  It's only showing UK physical sales.  Which if you don't already realize, they have been dying out to digital nowadays.


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Posted 20 November 2017 - 01:35 PM

 

 

Take with grain of salt folks.  It's only showing UK physical sales.  Which if you don't already realize, they have been dying out to digital nowadays.

 

Though that is correct and there is an increase on digital sales year on year, there is no way digital sales would be able to make up a loss of 60%. I saw another article but can't quote it - digital increase annually is estimated at 20%. So that's still a loss of 40%.  

 

It might only be UK but I see no reason why gaming market trends wouldn't be similar to the U.S.

 

EDIT: Article on dip in EA stock due to controversy. (EA stock is still up this year, but it is amusing one game can have such a negative effect)

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Posted 20 November 2017 - 07:40 PM

If you go by the UK sales charts lately it seems like nobody wants to buy anything but FIFA. Everything seems to fail over there, and people don't want to buy games in boxes any more. Which is surprising, because it's one of those places (like Australia) where digital prices are far higher than retail, to the point where I don't know why anyone would want to buy digital at all. I don't understand video games any more.

 

But, hey, the Humble Store is giving away free Steam keys for Brutal Legend, so get on that if you don't already own it three times over from various Humble Bundles.

 

btw, that RPG Sega was teasing turned out to be a weird mobile multiplayer Scrabble RPG or something named Kotodaman:

 



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 05:24 AM

Video games are expensive.

Back in the PS2 era, a new game would cost me £30 on release day. Half that a few months later.

Now a brand new game can be £60. That's frankly obscene.

As far as I can tell, FIFA is bought by all the bros off to university or football fans that never play anything else.

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Posted 21 November 2017 - 07:28 PM

Things are happening, baby. The Belgian Gaming Commission's investigation into loot boxes has found that, yes, they are obviously gambling, and is seeking to have them banned (or at least more strictly regulated).

 

Furthermore, the state of Hawaii has announced their intention to get some wheels in motion. "This game is a Star Wars themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money".

 



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Posted 21 November 2017 - 07:41 PM

The State of Hawaii just likened the Star Wars brand to that Joe Camel thing a certain cigarette company tried pulling in the 90s.

 

EA's ass is grass. Well, realistically speaking, it's stewardship of games developed in the Star Wars IP.

 

The reputation hit it's taking could result in upper-level turnover too. Maybe something that can save EA from itself.


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